Monday, September 21, 2015

Letter to the Editor: "A Miscarriage of Justice by Dan Drew" by Brian E. Clark

Disclaimer: Below is a letter to the Editor by write-in mayoral candidate Brian E. Clark and published with explicit written consent from former Middletown police officer Francesca Quaranta. Litigation pertaining to claims made by Officer Quaranta expressed in the letter below are pending in court. As with all letters to the editor, the editors/owners/volunteer Middletown Insider staff publish these letters as a courtesy to our readers, and are not responsible for the validity of the claims or opinions made by the author of the letter. Views and opinions do not necessarily reflect that of the Insider staff. 


Write in Candidate for Mayor
& letter author
Brian E. Clark
"Letter to the Editor: A Miscarriage of Justice by Dan Drew"

Francesca Quaranta
It may surprise some that I have known Francesca Quaranta for over 17 years now. Then, in 1998, she was known by Frank, and she was an exemplary police officer for the Rocky Hill Police Dept., and I was her co-worker as an EMT on the Rocky Hill Ambulance, & for Aetna Ambulance Service. I protected her life then, and 17 years later, it brings me to tears to see that the City of Middletown has destroyed her life and career. This was brought to my attention as I am running for Mayor as a Write In Candidate, but after thoroughly investigating this case, I’m not sure me running for Mayor matters much anymore. When a life is destroyed, whether you had a front row seat to the event, or you catch the 48 Hours version, it makes you mad, and your priorities are reassessed. Francesca Quaranta was a Police Officer for the City of Middletown; laying down her life for us every second of the day she was here, and our Mayor, and our City was allowed to run roughshod over her life, on many occasions, and she was treated no different than a Nazi treated a Jew in a Concentration Camp in World War II.

Many know the story, or at least parts of it. Francesca Quaranta started her career here in Middletown as, Frank Quaranta in 2004, and again led an exemplary career for 10 years. The Mayor even says so! But when she decides to live the life the way she feels most comfortable, as a woman, well, it was obvious the “Old Boys Club” of the Middletown Police Department wasn’t having any of it, and therefore because it is the “Old Boys Club”, Dan Drew wants in on the “fun”. What follows is discrimination in the most clear cut case I have ever seen. Isn’t that illegal, you say? Yes, in fact it is. You see, in 2011, Dan Malloy signed HB 6599, making discrimination against transgender and gender expression, illegal. Say it ain’t so, Big Dan! Sorry Mini- Me (Dan Drew), yup, it’s a crime, and one that you conspired with Police Chief McKenna on down through the ranks, to break. When Chief McKenna says to Officer Quaranta that all the rules have to be changed because of you (Meaning Francesca), oh, we knew it was going to be a bumpy road from there. Francesca though, just wants to live her life, and goes out of her way to accommodate the other members of the Department, by removing herself from both locker rooms, and uses a private bathroom on the second floor. It goes so far, that Francesca is getting ready for work in the back parking lot, alone, in the dead of winter. She gets reprimanded on many occasions for trivial issues like hair and earrings, when other females are doing the same, and are left alone. Comments about what sexual acts she performs on other men are made by supervisors, and other officers, and derogatory statements are made by members of the Fire Department in public, and by a dispatcher. In a job where you have to absolutely trust the guy behind you, it obviously became  impossible to do her job safely.

She makes an official complaint with Faith Jackson, the Human Resources Director, who turns an investigation in to a carnival act, and in the end, not only does the decision say that no discrimination has been made, and the workplace isn’t hostile, but she says Francesca should be disciplined for even making the complaint in the first place! Francesca can’t stay here anymore, and who can blame her! On August 25, 2013 she is put on Administrative Leave with pay. She uses her time off to meet with her therapist, and try to make sense of what has happened, and heal. The Mayor doesn’t like this one bit, and on March 11, 2014, orders Francesca to take a Fitness for Duty Evaluation by Dr. Nancy Randall, a Doctor chosen by the City. Dr. Nancy Randall concludes, “It is essential in this position to feel the support of her fellow officers, which Officer Quaranta does not currently feel. The consequence of this could be disastrous in a critical situation, in which there is a need for immediate reactions and trust in fellow officers.” Obviously, Francesca does not pass the Fitness for Duty Evaluation. Diagnostic words like Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, Severe Depression, and Anxiety are just a few of the words contained in the report, and what does Dan Drew do? He moves her off Administrative Leave, and forces her to apply for Unemployment Compensation, which he challenges, and forces a hearing, which he loses. Miserably. Don’t worry, when it’s found out that Francesca’s diagnosis is a direct result from her employment with the City of Middletown, all of this becomes illegal. But, don’t worry. It does, and it is.

Dan Drew knows he’s screwed up bad. So he orders Francesca to take a second Fitness for Duty Exam, on Jun 2, 2014. Still being treated for her Mental Illness’s right along, she knows this is a joke, meant to be retaliatory, and humiliating. In a letter from her Attorney Josephine S. Miller, delivered that day to Brig Smith, General Counsel for the City, it says as much, and that now, Francesca will be going for her Disability Retirement Pension, which she certainly is entitled to under City Retirement Ordinance. Her own Therapist of 3 years concludes,  “I recommend she be retired with full disability pension since she will otherwise be placed in an intolerable environment that will not be conducive to performing the essential duties of police officer due to lack of cooperation and support of command staff and fellow officers.” Francesca knows now that she must retire with a disability.  But the shenanigans don’t stop here! No, on the June 27th, 2014, Dan Drew summons Francesca to his office, where he FIRES her! What’s his reasoning? He maintains to this day, that had she passed a Fitness for Duty Evaluation, she would have been allowed back immediately. But he knows from Dr. Randall’s report, that isn’t ever going to happen. Under some delusional, pat yourself on the ass, thinking, he thinks he can do all of this legally! Not so Dapper Dan!

Francesca, having the resolve of a Sherman Tank, moves on, and goes for her Disability Pension and the Retirement Board meets for the first time, on September 3rd, 2014. The Board members are all present, but someone has to tell me how Joe Serra can be on that committee as an impartial citizen member. Talk about conflict of interest! But the meeting goes on, and the decision is made that two independent medical (IME) reviews are to be conducted, and Hope Kasper motions to hold a Special Meeting when the results are obtained. I’m confused as to how Doctor Randall’s evaluation couldn’t be used, because she was indeed chosen by the City, and did come to the conclusion that Francesca could not work do to disabilities. Perhaps Dan Drew was wishing on a star each night in his footie pajamas that time, and more harassment would make her better. Anyway, Francesca agrees, and goes to her first IME on October 8th, 2014, by Dr. Morris D. Bell, of  Yale New Haven.

Dr. Bell concludes, “Francesca Quaranta is totally and permanently disabled as a police officer by her PTSD and depression. Her disability occurred during the performance of job related police duties and directly arose from performance of those duties. She was naive about the impact her transgender decision would have on her work life and had not the psychological resilience to withstand the consequences. Her defensiveness about her own contributions to the problem that followed and her sense of betrayal, physical endangerment, harassment and discrimination led to a catastrophic collapse from which she has not recovered.” He goes on to say that “For her this was a traumatic event. By analogy, a person with a predisposing vulnerability like a bad back might experience a blow that another person could withstand, but for that vulnerable individual it leads to permanent disability; so too with the profound and unexpected change in relationships at work for Francesca Quaranta.”
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If this wasn’t enough, she goes to the second IME, (really the 3rd) on October 22nd, 2014 with Dr. Jay Lasser of Farmington, CT. Dr. Lasser concludes “The employee, her therapist who clearly knows her and her situation very well and now I, are all of the opinion that her symptoms of the moment would not prevent her from performing as a police officer in a different setting, but this seems logistically impossible; and that she could never return to work as a Middletown police officer. “Therefore it is my opinion that the individual is totally and permanently disabled (specifically by PTSD) as a Middletown police officer (though not as a police officer in a different setting) and that such disability occurred during the performance of job¬ related police duties pertaining to employment with the city and arose out of and in the course of said employment with the city.”
That is now 3 Independent Medical Evaluations she has had. All of them are remarkably the same. And she has the evaluation from her therapist of 3 years, Joan P. Day LMFT, though Francesca and I agree that Ms. Day is not impartial. But not being impartial, doesn’t discount what Ms. Day has to say. She is a Medical Professional after all. On November 6th, 2014, a Special Meeting is called for the Retirement Board to meet. It was an Executive Session, so under State Law, no one will ever know what happened at that meeting, because the record is sealed. My account comes from the best source in the room: Francesca Quaranta. Dan Drew, Carl Erlacker, Sandra Russo- Driska, Hope Kasper, Christine Bourne, and Jim Reynolds were present. The issue came up to approve or deny Francesca’s Disability Pension, and the Mayor, strangely votes on this issue. I would think that a conflict of interest since he was the one who fired her to begin with. But I suppose we’re not concerned with ethics, standards, or laws here. He was never concerned at any time previous to this, why start now? The issue comes to a vote, and Christine Bourne and Sandra Russo- Driska vote to approve. Dan Drew, Carl Erlacker, and Jim Reynolds vote not to approve. And for some strange reason, Hope Kasper abstains. Feeling pangs for your career, Hope? We see how that worked out. It was over that quick. On November 6th, 2014 Lady Justice was murdered at City Hall, and no one cared.

This story has the basic facts that show how our Mayor, illegally fired, then denied a disability pension, to one of the finest Police Officer’s to ever serve the City of Middletown. What I have claimed here, I can prove with documents I obtained in the course of my investigation. They include Medical Reports and Records, letters, internal emails, photographs, and many hours of researching Francesca’s past quotes and articles. I began this to expose the truth. I finished having gained a life- long friend in Francesca, and while I have indeed, uncovered the truth, as a Citizen of Middletown, I’m saddened and disgusted with the way Francesca was treated by other Middletown Police Officers, Employees of the City of Middletown, and specifically, the Mayor, Dan Drew. Apparently there isn’t anything, including laws that will prevent Dan Drew from meeting his own agenda. 
I’m not under any illusions that I’ll be elected to the office of Mayor for this City. But I strongly urge you to consider Sandra Russo- Driska, because just on this issue alone, she was the voice of reason at these Retirement Board Meetings, though it did no good. She was obviously outranked, and out- numbered. But she was the light in the darkness, and this City is a dark place these days. We all could use a little light…

Brian E. Clark
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21 comments:

  1. This will be another lawsuit settlement brought on by Dan Drew's ineptness and lack of leadership. He shows time and again his animosity toward protected class citizens and employees. Only now, because it's election season, does he court Wesleyan University students and minority groups. He is a fraud of the most dangerous kind!

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  2. Thank you so much for sharing your story Francesca!

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  3. No amount of hormone poisoning or genital mutilation will change one's DNA structure. His DNA still sports XY chromosomes and in a thousand years when some archaeologist digs up his body, that is what the tests will show. Frank and others, are mentally ill.

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  4. 2 sides to every story regarding the comments on the job, but the pension boards actions & mayors are inexcusable. Francesca deserves her day in court & justice. Brave!

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  5. Wishing you positive energy Officer Quarranta! Thank you & Mr. Clark for standing up for what's right & sharing your account of what sent down. Anyway you look at it a mayor shouldn't debate medical doctors testimony. Haters will hate, but keep your head up!

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  6. I would like to personally thank the 4 out of the five of you for all your kind words, means a lot!!! Sincerely more than you can imagine!!
    As for Anonymous who discusses hormone poisoning, genital mutilation, and refers to my deceased body, none of which has anything to do with what the story is about, my response to him which includes his full name, is listed as a post on my public Facebook page under Francesca Quaranta, Newington Ct.

    Sincerely, Francesca Quaranta

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  7. I would like to personally thank the 4 out of the five of you for all your kind words, means a lot!!! Sincerely more than you can imagine!!
    As for Anonymous who discusses hormone poisoning, genital mutilation, and refers to my deceased body, none of which has anything to do with what the story is about, my response to him which includes his full name, is listed as a post on my public Facebook page under Francesca Quaranta, Newington Ct.

    Sincerely, Francesca Quaranta

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  8. I appreciate everyone who read my story, and everyone who left comments. I believe in the 1st Amendment, and everyone's right to speak freely, as I have spoken freely. The important thing is that we have started the conversation, and I assure you, the information I have provided in my article is the truth, and can be proven. No one, regardless of age, sex, creed, religion, or gender, should ever be treated as Francesca was treated. With this upcoming election, we have the opportunity to ensure that it never happens again. On November 3rd, please use your voice to change this City for the positive, forever. Thank you.

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  9. Interesting that Ms. Quaranta is able to identify Mr. Boylan as the "anonymous" poster who expressed some nasty opinions. If the Insider does not and cannot track the source of the comments, it is puzzling how the identify of the poster is known. Lucky guess, perhaps?

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  10. The comment was up previously with a name, then the comment or changed it to anonymous. Look at any Google cached page site.

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  11. Dear Anonymous, Just wanted to respond to your inquiry as to how I knew Mr. Boylan was the one who posted that horrific comment about me. My Boylan was kind enough to publicly post the same comment on Facebook using his name in the comment section. That's about it. Comment on Facebook was identical word for word! No guessing, had nothing to do with the Middletown Insider. It was him, it was not nice, actually mean and hateful, and had nothing to do with the story. Saw your inquiry just wanted to respond. Take care best wishes, Francesca Quaranta

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  12. Brian, is it true you are an arsonist and torch campaign signs ?

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  13. Part 1

    Uhm, think about it, peeps. Do you really think someone with testicles that thinks he is a woman is in his right mind? You must be biology deniers.

    Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist: Transgender is ‘Mental Disorder;' Sex Change ‘Biologically Impossible’

    (CNSNews.com) -- Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.

    Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed medical articles, made his remarks in a recent commentary [2] in the Wall Street Journal, where he explained that transgender surgery is not the solution for people who suffer a “disorder of ‘assumption’” – the notion that their maleness or femaleness is different than what nature assigned to them biologically.

    He also reported on a new study showing that the suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher than the suicide rate among non-transgender people. Dr. McHugh further noted studies from Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic of children who had expressed transgender feelings but for whom, over time, 70%-80% “spontaneously lost those feelings.”

    While the Obama administration, Hollywood, and major media such as Time magazine promote transgenderism as normal, said Dr. McHugh, these “policy makers and the media are doing no favors either to the public or the transgendered by treating their confusions as a right in need of defending rather than as a mental disorder that deserves understanding, treatment and prevention.”

    “This intensely felt sense of being transgendered constitutes a mental disorder in two respects. The first is that the idea of sex misalignment is simply mistaken – it does not correspond with physical reality. The second is that it can lead to grim psychological outcomes.”

    The transgendered person’s disorder, said Dr. McHugh [1], is in the person’s “assumption” that they are different than the physical reality of their body, their maleness or femaleness, as assigned by nature. It is a disorder similar to a “dangerously thin” person suffering anorexia who looks in the mirror and thinks they are “overweight,” said McHugh.

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  14. Part 2

    This assumption, that one’s gender is only in the mind regardless of anatomical reality, has led some transgendered people to push for social acceptance and affirmation of their own subjective “personal truth,” said Dr. McHugh. As a result, some states – California, New Jersey, and Massachusetts – have passed laws barring psychiatrists, “even with parental permission, from striving to restore natural gender feelings to a transgender minor,” he said.

    The pro-transgender advocates do not want to know, said McHugh, that studies show between 70% and 80% of children who express transgender feelings “spontaneously lose those feelings” over time. Also, for those who had sexual reassignment surgery, most said they were “satisfied” with the operation “but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn’t have the surgery.”

    “And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a ‘satisfied’ but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs,” said Dr. McHugh.

    The former Johns Hopkins chief of psychiatry also warned against enabling or encouraging certain subgroups of the transgendered, such as young people “susceptible to suggestion from ‘everything is normal’ sex education,” and the schools’ “diversity counselors” who, like “cult leaders,” may “encourage these young people to distance themselves from their families and offer advice on rebutting arguments against having transgender surgery.”

    Dr. McHugh also reported that there are “misguided doctors” who, working with very young children who seem to imitate the opposite sex, will administer “puberty-delaying hormones to render later sex-change surgeries less onerous – even though the drugs stunt the children’s growth and risk causing sterility.”

    Such action comes “close to child abuse,” said Dr. McHugh, given that close to 80% of those kids will “abandon their confusion and grow naturally into adult life if untreated ….”

    “’Sex change’ is biologically impossible,” said McHugh. “People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder.”

    Article by Michael W. Chapman

    Source URL: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

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  15. Part 2

    The pro-transgender advocates do not want to know, said McHugh, that studies show between 70% and 80% of children who express transgender feelings “spontaneously lose those feelings” over time. Also, for those who had sexual reassignment surgery, most said they were “satisfied” with the operation “but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn’t have the surgery.”

    “And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a ‘satisfied’ but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs,” said Dr. McHugh.

    The former Johns Hopkins chief of psychiatry also warned against enabling or encouraging certain subgroups of the transgendered, such as young people “susceptible to suggestion from ‘everything is normal’ sex education,” and the schools’ “diversity counselors” who, like “cult leaders,” may “encourage these young people to distance themselves from their families and offer advice on rebutting arguments against having transgender surgery.”

    Dr. McHugh also reported that there are “misguided doctors” who, working with very young children who seem to imitate the opposite sex, will administer “puberty-delaying hormones to render later sex-change surgeries less onerous – even though the drugs stunt the children’s growth and risk causing sterility.”

    Such action comes “close to child abuse,” said Dr. McHugh, given that close to 80% of those kids will “abandon their confusion and grow naturally into adult life if untreated ….”

    “’Sex change’ is biologically impossible,” said McHugh. “People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder.”

    Source URL: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

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  16. I suppose that if someone thinks he is a werewolf, then he really is a werewolf?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_lycanthropy

    or a tiger?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1052934/Cat-Man--human-tiger-enjoys-climbing-trees-eats-raw-meat-day.html

    or whatever this is?

    http://www.wowamazing.com/trending/bizarre/five-body-modifications-that-are-way-over-the-top/

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  17. Part 2

    The pro-transgender advocates do not want to know, said McHugh, that studies show between 70% and 80% of children who express transgender feelings “spontaneously lose those feelings” over time. Also, for those who had sexual reassignment surgery, most said they were “satisfied” with the operation “but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn’t have the surgery.”

    “And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a ‘satisfied’ but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs,” said Dr. McHugh.

    The former Johns Hopkins chief of psychiatry also warned against enabling or encouraging certain subgroups of the transgendered, such as young people “susceptible to suggestion from ‘everything is normal’ sex education,” and the schools’ “diversity counselors” who, like “cult leaders,” may “encourage these young people to distance themselves from their families and offer advice on rebutting arguments against having transgender surgery.”

    Dr. McHugh also reported that there are “misguided doctors” who, working with very young children who seem to imitate the opposite sex, will administer “puberty-delaying hormones to render later sex-change surgeries less onerous – even though the drugs stunt the children’s growth and risk causing sterility.”

    Such action comes “close to child abuse,” said Dr. McHugh, given that close to 80% of those kids will “abandon their confusion and grow naturally into adult life if untreated ….”

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  18. Part 3


    “’Sex change’ is biologically impossible,” said McHugh. “People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder.”

    Source URL: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

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  19. If Quaranta has evidence that My (sic) Boylan made a similar post on face book, then a link or screen shot should have accompanied the accusation. Otherwise, there is no credibility to it.

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  20. Published on CNS News

    Pope Francis: ‘Gender Theory Is An Error of the Human Mind That Leads to So Much Confusion’

    While Bruce Jenner’s pretend transformation into a woman is dominating the news this week and being applauded by liberals, it merits noting that Pope Francis has condemned the idea of “gender theory” on several occasions, calling it “an error of the human mind” and a notion that “does not recognize the order of creation.”

    In describing modern-day “Herods” that “plot designs of death, that disfigure the face of man and woman,” Pope Francis cited nuclear weapons, “genetic manipulation” and “gender theory, that does not recognize the order of creation,” as quoted in LifeSiteNews [1], referencing the 2015 book, Pope Francis: This Economy Kills [2].

    "Let's think of the nuclear arms, of the possibility to annihilate in a few instants a very high number of human beings,” said the Pope. “Let's think also of genetic manipulation, of the manipulation of life, or of the gender theory, that does not recognize the order of creation."

    "With this attitude, man commits a new sin, that against God the Creator,” said the Pope [1]. “God has placed man and woman at the summit of creation and has entrusted them with the Earth. … The design of the Creator is written in nature."

    On his March 23 trip to Naples, Pope Francis spoke with young people, as translated [3] in LifeSiteNews, and said, “Gender theory is an error of the human mind that leads to so much confusion."

    “So the family is under attack,” he said.

    Also, in his General Audience [4]at the Vatican on April 15, the Pope continued his instruction on the complementarity between man and woman and the family.

    In those remarks, he said, “As we all know, sexual difference is present in so many forms of life, on the great scale of living beings. But man and woman alone are made in the image and likeness of God: the biblical text repeats it three times in two passages (Genesis1: 26-27): man and woman are the image and likeness of God. This tells us that it is not man alone who is the image of God or woman alone who is the image of God, but man and woman as a couple who are the image of God.”

    “Experience teaches us: in order to know oneself well and develop harmoniously, a human being needs the reciprocity of man and woman,” said Pope Francis. “When that is lacking, one can see the consequences.”

    Those consequences fuel confusion and error, said the Pope. “For example, I ask myself, if the so-called gender theory is not, at the same time, an expression of frustration and resignation, which seeks to cancel out sexual difference because it no longer knows how to confront it,” he said [4]. “Yes, we risk taking a step backwards.”

    “The removal of difference in fact creates a problem, not a solution,” said Pope Francis.

    Seeking to change or dissolve the complementarity between man and woman produces intellectual, social and spiritual darkness, the Pope continued. “God entrusted the earth to the alliance between man and woman: its failure deprives the earth of warmth and darkens the sky of hope,” he said in his April 15 audience.

    The order established by God between man and woman and creation is the key to harmony, said the Pope.

    “The great responsibility of the Church, of all believers, and first of all of believing families, which derives from us, impels people to rediscover the beauty of the creative design that also inscribes the image of God in the alliance between man and woman,” said the Pope [4].

    He continued, “The earth is filled with harmony and trust when the alliance between man and woman is lived properly. And if man and woman seek it together, between themselves, and with God, without a doubt they will find it. Jesus encourages us explicitly to bear witness to this beauty, which is the image of God.”

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  21. Brian,
    I am amazed that you so carelessly throw around comments about ethics and doing the "right thing". I remember someone else who had some issues in 2011. It is amazing how you sit so high up there on that horse of yours when talking about following the law. Maybe Mayor Drew was home in his footie pj's but I'd rather that then him hiding out in a car with a knife looking to rob a coffee shop. We all have our demons.... some worse then others I guess.

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